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NRK could today report about the decline in the number of koronapasienter, and it looks like Norway has avoided major infection. But this has come with a price, several people think is too high.
Korona-the fight is not worth the price, wrote the retired apotekeren Frederick H. Fladmark (88) in Bergens Tidende. A mistake to sacrifice the future to ensure us constitutes the past, wrote Vidar Gjersrud (76), in Today’s Business. He is retired and formerly self-employed.
I have received very many positive feedback. Not everyone agrees with me, but also among the elderly, there has been a lot of support. I’m not afraid to die, ” says Gjersrud to NRK.
BELIEVE KORONATILTAK GOES TOO FAR: Vidar Gjersrud (76) is retired and formerly self-employed.
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He believes people should keep distance and be careful with hand washing, but that the government’s measures are too restrictive.
– I call it hysterical. The elderly receive goods delivered outside the front door of relatives, and I will not come and chat with them from time to time even if I stand outside, ” says Gjersrud.
Helseforsker: – Oversimplification
– It is an altruistic thought to be willing to put their own needs aside for the benefit of society”, and the economist in me is, to some extent, agrees, commenting Mathias Barra, senior researcher at Akershus university hospital. He has a background in mathematics, computer science and economics.
– But, I’m afraid this is an oversimplification. I believe there are good reasons to believe that the young people in the future will also be strongly affected if the epidemic gets ravage freely in Norway. Also, the risk group is not so renskåren that many gives the impression that when they perform this argument.
– that the economy would be “saved”, we would have to probably be agreed that the covid-19-patients only received minimal health care. I don’t think we are there, and that it is not desirable that we get there either, ” says Barra.
– the Measures we have now frames the economy and the jobs of people. Could we set for us, we had let the virus move through the population without having to do anything?
– It could have been a skrekkscenario for Norway. One can imagine that a lot of health workers would become infected, and thus had quickly been lack of because of the sick people in quarantine. Moreover, health workers may have been infected many in the b vaccination programs that are in the hospital for other reasons. And third, there is a good deal older doctors who themselves are in the b vaccination programs. By an increasing number of deaths among health workers, perhaps older ledestjerner and role models in the subject, how long would health care continue to work normally?
– It is life now versus life later,
SHOUTS VARSKU: Økonomiprofessor Karen Helene Ulltveit-Moe.
Photo: Johan B. Sættem
Økonomiprofessor Karen Helene Ulltveit-Moe has pointed out that the fight to save lives during koronapandemien has a high cost for society.
– There are human destinies on both sides. The trade-offs we are making, should preferably make the right, she said to VG in the weekend.
– My starting point is that the government has gone further, and carried out more restrictive measures than the Norwegian institute of public health has recommended. So I see that Sweden is more likely to have followed the medical advice, ” says Ulltveit-Moe, the Norwegian broadcasting corporation NRK.
She points out that she is no medical expert, but that she sees that the economic effects are devastating.
– It is not life versus money. There is life now versus life later. This is something that in most cases affects older and there are many younger who pays the bill.
– We allow that many die of flu each year. So I know that the rationale for the measures is that this is more dangerous. But we could have saved the lives lost in the flu, but do not make it, genesis Ulltveit-Moe, the Norwegian broadcasting corporation NRK.
Not given that the economy had been rescued
Saves the we life now affects life later? Barra believes that the issue is interesting.
– I don’t think this is a hair-raising problem. This is something you don’t agree on the ethics. A 30-year-old who loses a job can be pushed out in utenforskap. We know that it is a risk factor for early death. So one may ask if we save a few years for a 70-year-old in the day, but they lose the same years for a 30-year-old forward in time, ” says Barra, who still believe the authorities are doing the right thing.
He believes today’s young people will suffer hard if we get an unchecked, exponential growth in koronasmitten.
– I think no one have a clue of the consequences of what had hit us if we had not done anything. The ripple effects of this are not in the models. It could be triggered chain reactions in many areas of the community.
Think many had isolated themselves
Barrra think it could have been triggered an apathy and depression in the community if the health system had stopped working.
the Question is whether we had endured to see a large number of people “drown”, get your lungs filled with fluid, and slowly be strangled. I think we had seen many isolate themselves anyway, but in an unstructured way. I can modelleringer in health economics, but we are not robots.
– Empirien from this pandemic shows, maybe with the exception of Sweden, that both the leaders and the most people get to a point where the measures will be tightened sharply. The question then is whether the actions of some degree is inevitable, and my assessment is that it is best if they are introduced in a reasonably thoughtful way from oslo. But, I emphasize that any expert who tells you that they know the answer is lying.
Barra notes that even Italy, which is so hard hit, has had restrictive measures in a long time.
– This leads me to think that an uncontrolled spread without any action whatsoever could have been a disaster.
– You have now taken the starting point in a scenario where you don’t do anything, but what about a middle ground, as for example Sweden?
– There are so many factors that come into play, so all the answers we get do not. But I’m excited at the situation in Sweden. If the death toll rises, we can pretty quickly get to see further action there, responding Barra.
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